Mr Anon
7:45 Mon Jun 25
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You can still carry a Swiss army knife so don't worry Mashed, just like you don't worry about the facts.
I'm sure your pruning knife that you just made up is fine too Surface.
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mashed in maryland
7:15 Mon Jun 25
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"No one needs to carry a knife in a city."
I honestly cannot get my head around this.
Ignoring the fact it's almost bafflingly at odds with reality (see the various examples listed), why should "need" even come into it anyway?
I remember not so long ago Swiss Army Knives were considered a trendy fashion accessory for young professionals. I'd bet you a few people still have one on a keyring and walk around without any intentions of stabbing anyone or anything. Oh well, fuck em eh. Ban everything and lock everyone up. It's the British way these days.
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stewie griffin
7:15 Mon Jun 25
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Don't understand the fuss myself. One less cunt on the streets.
As long as they keep killing each other and don't start involving members of the public then the world is becoming a better place, one death at a time.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:08 Mon Jun 25
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Vexed 6:54 Mon Jun 25
'Chefs don't drag their knives to and from work routinely.'
What has 'routinely' got to do with it? Is, 'Officer, I only carry this knife now and then', going to be a valid, defence?
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mashed in maryland
7:06 Mon Jun 25
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Mr Anon 6:56 Mon Jun 25
Tell that to the legions of chippies, electricians, painters and decorators, and yes even chefs who get the tube/bus to work in London.
Why are you so desperate to see the law target honest hardworking people?
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Gavros
7:06 Mon Jun 25
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mashed is a student?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:05 Mon Jun 25
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I'm taking a pruning knife around to my friend's house to sort out their rhododendrons later. It's got a flick action.
Anon, you're a fuck-wit.
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mashed in maryland
7:04 Mon Jun 25
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"Your examples are total bollocks just puked out of your addled right wing brain because you have no perception of anything other than black or white."
Well actually one of my examples was lifted directly from Fifth's post. He described his mate getting a caution because he had his knives on the seat next to him rather than in his boot. It's a ridiculous situation, and it's baffling that anyone would want more of this sort of blanket black/white hardline enforcement in everyday life... especially when it'll have absolutely fuck all impact on the people/problems it's supposedly meant to.
"On the other hand it's quite easy to spot that a bloke hanging around at midnight with a knife in his back pocket is neither a chef nor carpet fitter. He should be nicked if he has no good reason to have it on him"
Be a bit unfortunate if you're a chef or a carpet fitter on your way home at midnight with your knives/tools in your bag then, won't it?
As I keep saying, there are plenty of reasons why someone might need to be carrying around a bladed article on their person, and the sort of people who stab each other to death wouldn't give a fuck about any laws saying otherwise anyway. Suggesting otherwise to either is unrealistic at best.
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Mr Anon
6:56 Mon Jun 25
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No one needs to carry a knife in a city. Chefs aren't walking around with meat cleaver or their favourite knife in their pocket , all your examples are shit and desperate. You've only given reasons for owning one, not for carrying one around on the street
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Vexed
6:54 Mon Jun 25
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mashed in maryland 6:37 Mon Jun 25
Surely even a shit town dwelling student fuckwit like you can see that nobody is asking for 'anything sharp' to be banned. Your wit would be safe regardless of rule changes.
Your examples are total bollocks just puked out of your addled right wing brain because you have no perception of anything other than black or white. Like a child. Chefs don't drag their knives to and from work routinely. They usually stay in the KITCHEN where they're more useful. If they do need to be transported there are rules that all trained chefs are taught about how they do this and in what kind of case etc. so they dont get nicked. Its all about context.
Carpet fitters usually have, y'know, a van or something to move carpet about. They don't walk round the streets with it. They use knives but other tools too. They don't water the streets with a kitchen knife in their hand.
On the other hand it's quite easy to spot that a bloke hanging around at midnight with a knife in his back pocket is neither a chef nor carpet fitter. He should be nicked if he has no good reason to have it on him. I don't see what argument there is against this.
It's like the rules of going equipped. A screwdriver isn't illegal but you can get nicked for going equipped if your get caught halfway up someone's drive in the middle of the night with one.
Use your loaf. You sound like a fucking student that lives with his mum, all angry that she's asked you to tidy your room. Peasant.
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Mike Oxsaw
6:53 Mon Jun 25
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If ANY law is introduced that is not effective then it's just another "Look, we're doing something!" box-ticker.
To be effective any law needs to TARGET that activity it is designed to prevent, or else, in this case, the police will have (HAVE) to prove (PROVE) that for every young black man they "talk to", they also "talk to" an equal number of old blue-rinse spinsters (or any other so labelled social group).
And even if they can do that, as soon as the arrests indicate a disproportionate number of crimes are being committed by a single, probably statistically quite small, group, gobby do-gooders will be straight on the case demanding that this particular group are excluded from such a law, seeking to blame anybody but the perpetrators.
Peer pressure, or any of the other social "norms" that generally prevent "bad apples" disrupting a group is the very thing that promotes this unsavoury activity, so it's pointless looking along that path for a saviour.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:53 Mon Jun 25
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I'm quite intrigued by Anon's suggestion that the police should have a special law in order that they can hold people in custody for bogus reasons.
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mashed in maryland
6:37 Mon Jun 25
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What argument is that? I was listing reasons why someone would need a knife, and all are perfectly valid. It's your argument that's weak. Just because YOU can't think of any reason why YOU would ever need a knife, EVERYONE ELSE must now be banned from possessing one.
It's not even weak, its fucking stupid.
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Vexed
6:33 Mon Jun 25
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Mashed, that argument is almost as weak as your willpower when you're caught hanging around outside a nursery cock in hand.
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mashed in maryland
6:15 Mon Jun 25
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"All the best chefs just have one knife"
Actually most have to use several. They may need transporting to and from the place of work at times. See Fifth's example below.
Many tradesmen (such as carpet fitters) also require a selection of knives, which may on occasion need transporting from place to place. Some of these may or may not be "flick"-action.
When working away and carrying a packed lunch, carrying cutlery around is also quite sensible.
Look. I get it. Maybe you're only allowed to use plastic spoons for your mushed up ready meals in your sheltered housing unit, but there are many reasons why a capable adult may find themselves in possession of something with a blade in day to day life.
Interfering with all the above by assuming there is no need to ever be in possession of anything sharp ever is not only ridiculous but also likely to do absolutely fuck all to stop these gangs of wronguns from doing what they do. Fact.
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Vexed
6:04 Mon Jun 25
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Yes of course mashed. All the best chefs just have one knife. Generally a flick knife. Versatile innit. I often see carpet fitters walking about with a flick knife and a roll of carpet on their shoulder walking to their next job. All the best craft types walk about with a dirty great knife in their pocket just incase they spy an impromptu craft opportunity. I mean why keep your knife in your workshop? Much more use in your back pocket. I often like to grab a bite when I'm out, so I generally grab a knife and fork and stick em in my pocket just in case. I mean, you never know if these restaurants are going to run out of cutlery do you? Happens all the time.
You fucking idiot.
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mashed in maryland
5:55 Mon Jun 25
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Yeah unless you're a chef, a carpet fitter, an electrician, Sikh, or someone who's into crafts, or a person who cooks at home, or someone who doesn't eat with their fingers.
So about 99% of the adult population, then.
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Vexed
5:52 Mon Jun 25
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So what are the legitimate situations where someone would need to go walking round the streets with a knife then?
I don't think there are any.
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mashed in maryland
5:49 Mon Jun 25
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"No ones going to jail for carrying a knife for legitimate means."
Sure. Fifth's anecdote proves that these laws can be used irrationally.
Before calling for any sort of law which limits freedoms, think of the worst possible scenario they'll be used in. Because that's the risk.
If the authorities are serious about stopping this sort of crime, they need to do things that specifically target the sort of people involved, not everyone else.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
5:44 Mon Jun 25
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Mr Anon 5:37 Mon Jun 25
'You assume the law won't be used rationally.'
It will be used in whatever way the police deem to be most advantageous to them.
'No ones going to jail for carrying a knife for legitimate means.'
No'one's going to jail for carrying one for illegitimate reasons. It's almost impossible to prove.
'It's there so the police have the power to detain a suspected gang member just for carrying. Obviously'
You've hear of BLM and the like right? The Labour Party? Everyone who's against stop and search? I don't think so.
'It doesn't matter if it's a deterrent or not.'
It does.
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Mr Anon
5:37 Mon Jun 25
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Mashed
You assume the law won't be used rationally. No ones going to jail for carrying a knife for legitimate means. It's there so the police have the power to detain a suspected gang member just for carrying. Obviously .
It doesn't matter if it's a deterrent or not.
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